This is the KJ 10/22 thread
 

Hi guys, me and a few fellas here have ordered this baby. We thought it would be great to have a place to goto for info related to this gun.

So far the info I have are from the redwolf review video. The rifle is light, and have lots of mod possibilities. 22rnd cap mags, accepts AEG M4 stocks, fires close to 400fps.

There is a wood kit from RA tech converting it to an M1 if I'm correct.

This is based on the ever popular Ruger 10/22. Many of you may even have the 10/22 and did some crazy modification on it.

I know many of you will say get the RS instead. It is true that this costs around 500-600, while the RS is around 200-300. But this is a great DM weapon in a carbine size, and the M1 carbine kit will interest many WWII enthusiasts.

You may find the manual here.
www.kjworks.com.tw/photo/12919005273.pdf

Note the buffer tube accepts regualr M4 stock, the tube itself is not a standard one. So for you magpul fans who want to put UBR stock on it, some work maybe required.

More info will come as we get this baby in our hands.

It takes WA pistol grips if I remember correctly. RS bodies need some modifications to fit. The KJW has a tab on the back that interferes with it fitting. On another note, the inner barrel supposedly only goes half way down the outer barrel.

Tanio Koba made a 10/22 airsoft gun about a decade or two ago. It wasn't blowback operated, but it was still pretty neat. I'm wondering if he had his hand in designing this KJW GBB too. His last GBB (KJW M4) seems to be very reliable.

Who is importing these for you teriases? I've been looking into getting one. Not sure if I want this or the KJW M4. Little more money gets you the M4. Mags are about $20 more than the 10/22, atleast on ehobbyasia.

Real steel spec Armalite pistol grips will fit, not just WA.
Correct on the inner barrel running half way through the barrel, at only 285mm. RA-Tech has released full length 363mm inner barrels that run the entire length.

KJW purchased the moulds and rights to the original Kobayashi design, and based this current model on that very popular classic model. Beyond selling the rights, he did not have a direct hand in this re-design.

A illusion has made me aware that Airsoft surgeon has a metal receiver in the works... ;)

Also, a long tight bore barrel is available now as well.

Redwolf released some pictures on FB today.

I did some research into it.

If it were $100 cheaper I'd consider getting it.

Hey teriases, can you please clear out some of your private messages, I'm trying to contact you, but my messages keep getting bounced back because it says your inbox is full.

It's funny that anyone would be interested in a 22LR gun.

But it actually looks like a decent gun, not that anyone would actually use the real one in any kind of situation other than to shoot gophers or cans :p

the wood kit to turn it into the M1 Carbine is interesting

I just finally got mine today... My first impressions:

- The build is VERY sturdy. Zero creak or wobble ANYWHERE
- Bolt is easy to rack
- Shouldering it is very natural, with a good sight picture
- Weight balance is extremely good. The weapon is very nice to handle and easy to swing around
- Total weight is not overly heavy, but not so light as to feel like a cheap toy
- The safety lever popped right out when pushed too far. It was annoying to get it popped back in... that was quite annoying. I'd rather not have to do it again, so I can only recommend being careful not to push the button too far out. As an additional note, the gun DID function fine without the safety lever installed. LOL.

- Firing test: HO-LEE CRRRRRRAP! This thing is extremely powerful, accurate, and LOUD. First test was dry firing, and it made an extremely loud and satisfying *POP*POP*POP* each time I pulled the trigger. Cycling speed was also phenomenal. Light weight trigger pull, fast bolt cycling time makes this a very fast response weapon.

- Next test was at range. Setting up a target 30 feet away, I was getting a grouping the size of a quarter with 0.25g BB's. This is EXTREMELY impressive. I only wish I had a longer test range to see what the furthest accurate range would be.

- Final test was velocity... DAMN. This thing shoots INSANELY HARD. The first shot out of the mag, was 422fps... with 0.25g BBs! Keep in mind, this was after already shooting about 30 rounds through the mag, so the gas wasn't even full at this point. The equivalent value of this power at 0.20g BB's is 471fps!
I did notice, that each succeeding shot dropped quite significantly after. I'd like to do a more conclusive test later on down the road with a freshly charged mag to see how consistent shot-to-shot velocities are for the entire mag. My hope is that they're tight enough that the gun can be used as a DMR platform, because the fast responding trigger, high power and long range accuracy could yield the perfect GBB DMR platform.

Illusion, have you shot a 10/22 before? If so, can you compare the trigger pull?

I have...

Trigger pull length of this replica is about 3mm. I don't recall what the pull length of a real one is.

As with practically all airsoft replicas, the trigger pull weight of the replica is lighter than the real thing. The break of the sear is also less noticeable due to the reduced weight on the sear. Also, as with almost all production airsoft guns, the trigger pull feels a bit "creepy" compared to the cleaner break of a real rifle.

I haven't shot one of those crazy uber competition 10/22's with ultra tuned trigger response before, so I can't compare to that, but I wouldn't be surprised if the trigger pull weight were similar in that regard. Rough guess "by feel", I'd say this trigger pull is around 1.5-2 pounds.


hmm... I should pick up a trigger weight scale...

damn, when i first saw these on redwolf I was like "F*CK YEAH I need one"
Now after reading illusions impressions..... I REALLY need one...

OK, just wondered if it broke cleanly like a real 10/22 or not. I guess it kind of would since it's a gas gun with an actual sear, instead of an AEG.
And yeah definitely interested in one but I'm not sure if it's worth the $600 or so importers want.

My baby has arrived...

Picked it up today. Its on my bed right now, and its going to get some loving tonight... ^^ <3

But damn, the gun is so well made. Only slight wobble in the stock, which goes with any kind of retractable stock really. The gun from body to barrel is 100% solid.

I will try to start taking the thing apart soon, starting with the stock. Will let everyone know how it goes. :P

I love you long time baby.... long time... :P

Anyone thrown an full length/tightbore barrel in there? I'm wondering what it would push it up to.
I'm thinking something like 500fps+?

I have an RA-Tech 380mm inner barrel inbound... I'll post up my results once it's in.

any word on an NPAS kit from RA?

Good rifle price
Inexpensive mags
compact size
tacticool

Want...

Just got mine today and fired some test shots through it.
It's yummy....

Short trigger pull like a 22, but it doesn't break cleanly at a certain point.

"Why would anyone ever want an airsoft .22? That's just stupid"
-Styrak like a month ago

lol

Mmm... 10/22 good for riot sims to "quiet" the leaders.

Will look deeper...

This thread needs pics.

Yeah thanks for taking my words and twisting them into something I didn't say.

I was talking about you said on MSN lol

I don't know what I said on MSN.

But I have one now and they're cool!

Field Report:

OMG this gun is awesome! I got so many kills with it, and the range is incredible. I used 0.4's all day. Even though I only had one mag it was very fun. I'll probably pick up a few more so I don't have to constantly reload my one mag. Although I was picking my shots so it was ok. It was about 11 or 12 degrees during most of the gaming today.

Towards the end of the day the BB's weren't hopping like they're supposed to. I switched to lighter BB's (0.25's) and turned down the hopup and that worked fine. My buddy also ran 0.28's through it fine. I'm not sure if I wore down the hopup rubber shooting 0.4's or what, but it's not shooting those like it did most of the day anymore.

The mag also starting leaking. I emptied the gas, tightened up the allen screw on the bottom, and refilled and ran the rest of the day no problems.

No other issues.

Question for you onwers : how loud is the thing ? All GBBRs I had in hand so far had huge bolt carrier and so : very loud sound even with my Gemtech G5 (best I ever had for noise reduction).
The 10/22 has internals a lot lighter/thinner so I'm guessing it may be a lot more quiet.

I've wanted this since RedWolf showed it off. Jealous of you all that have it already.

Would much prefer the wood stock version. Good to hear it's fielding well.

So are this like available now for wide scale purchasing? The digging I did said they are avaliable 2012.

Yes, they are out on the market. BuyAirsoft has them for a very reasonable price.

I'm thinking of picking one of these up...is there/will there be an NPAS for the KC02?

Bah, a few days too late. Oh well. Hopefully they'll get magazines in for a reasonable price, can't have too many of those.

Can't wait to see one turned as a M1 Carbine with the Ra-Tech wood kit.

Still hesitant.

Man, I'm really itching to buy one of these!

Hehe. Any idea what was the FPS on it on the field? Reviews says it ranges from pretty much 400 to 430.

Most of the noise in this is from the barrel. This is one of the few airsoft guns out there that actually have a loud muzzle report. I tried a Firepig on mine just for kicks, and it was LOUDDDDDD! lol. I may have to keep it that way. :D

The bolt assembly is fairly light weight, which is why felt blowback is low, cycling speeds are fast, and the overall mechanical noise is low (also due to the simplicity of the mechanism.)
I haven't had a chance to try a silencer yet, but now you've got me curious. Maybe when I get time, I'll try it out.

TSC has just released a slew of steel internal components which I'm intent on installing in to mine. :D

Do these things have threads out of the box?

I just had a wild idea i've been aching to try

Available in many places now. I'd already sold out of my first shipment and can't get more due to lack of inventory at all my suppliers. Demand on these is extremely high.

RA-Tech is working on an NPAS, but it's not on market yet.

I've got plenty more in stock if you're still interested. I'm shipping yours out in a moment.

I'd used up maybe 1/3rd of the gas out of a magazine when I first chronoed mine... the magazine had sat overnight, and I did a shot with a 0.25g BB, which yielded 2.13 Joules. That much power is equivalent to 480fps with a 0.20g BB!

Follow up shots dropped in power significantly. Haven't had a chance to do more chrono testing, but it's safe to say that an NPAS would be highly recommended.

I'd imagine Styrak's 0.40g BB's must've been putting out close to 2.5 Joules of power, which is equivalent to 520fps with 0.20g! LOL

Yup, it has threads right out of the box. It's covered by a nicely machined thread protector cap at the muzzle.

What do you have in mind?

I'm obsessed with the idea of suppressed carbines, if the majority of the sound report is from the barrel, I think this gun may be nicely suited to the job!

(Semi auto is nice, too :9)

You're still going to hear the mechanical clicking and clacking of the bolt. If you want totally silent, then get an AEG. Or an NBB :D

I have a feeling that part of the reason why the muzzle report is so loud, is because the inner barrel actually only runs half way through the outer barrel. That leaves the rest of the room to allow the expanding gas and muzzle break to resonate through the outer barrel and create an overall louder report.

I'm still surprised at how powerful and accurate this gun is, considering how short the inner barrel is.

And Brian, do you know if they are finally going to release "long" mags?

Oh, the bolt clicking is fine. I've been losing a lot of interest in AEG's for the past while ever since the advent of GBBR's. I'd rather have the clicking bolt than a whiny motor

Besides, Would still be a cool project either way.

Is buyairsoft the only ones selling the KJ02 at the moment?

It's not that loud, a lot quieter than a WE M4. I put a foam filled silencer on mine and it didn't make THAT much difference, but it made enough difference to make me want to keep the silencer on.

In my house, the gun was chronying 420-440 on 0.20's (1.8 joule). On 0.28's it chronied 380 (1.9 joule) and on 0.40's it chronied 350 (2.15 joule, equivalent to 480fps on 0.20's). So not as high as you thought Illusion!

Why fix what isn't broken?

In other news, the gun has incredible range and GREAT accuracy. I got a lot of one shot, one kills. A lot of other kills only took 2 or 3 shots, and a lot of the time I wasn't even using the sights.

Haven't heard any such indication from my end, but then again, my grasp of KJW news releases is not great.

To make sure it never breaks... and to increase weight.

Anyways, that's a common problem I have. :D I don't think I own a single unmodified gun. lol

Yeah I'd rather have it light, and replace things IF/when they break.

Know any place that sells them cheaper then $500?

Look at what you just quoted.

I am I also checked buyairsoft. They are $499 there. I'd like to shop around and see if I can find one cheaper.

I see $399.99. Plus taxes.

I see $399.99 at buyairsoft.ca. $440 tax and shipping in.

WTF? I'm sure that was 499.

Man i cant wait to get mine, should be here by mon. I just need to figure out what pouches will best fit the mags.

grenade/flashbang pouches.



i've seen some reviews on this thing and it seems like a good performer, how is the gas consumption?

I'm not sold untill I see long (50rnd?) mags.

i was thinking 40mm pouches would work but i guess ill have to wait and then just try stuff

Gas consumption is very good. I never ran out of gas firing off a mag of BB's, and it always locked back solidly on the last shot. This was in 11C temperature too.
I think the main thing is that it doesn't have to move a huge bolt like M4/G36/M14 GBBR's.

I haven't tested but it's supposed to get you 1.5x or 2x mags of BB's on a fill.

I'm getting 1.5-2x mags off one gas charge, depending on how fast I'm working the trigger.

I seen some pic with magpul attaches to the 10/22 mags... Since they are small I am wondering if it's the SMG type magpul that would fit for mp5 type mags?

I'm guessing it's the 9mm pulls as well

Got mine today! love it, gonna have to hit up Huang tomorrow and get some things for it. Threw my TM reducer on it for shits and giggles but it seems like it actually causes the bolt to lock back even with a full mag. hmmmm interesting

Got mine yesterday. Had the girlfriend get the package... she decorated the package while I was at work with rainbows.

Solid gun, put a Vortex Sparc on it. Mags are silly but that's fine. Little hard to grab them out of the taco's, I'm sure I will work something out.

Now to find the best weight bb tomorrow. Thinking .4g's, but after what stryak said, maybe a lighter bb to not potentially damage the hopup?

Unless it was something else that was funky with it.

I disassembled and took out the hopup rubber. Looked a little dirty/sandy/greasy (the area I was playing in had sandy soil). Washed it off inside and out with warm soapy water and hopefully it's back to normal now. Will see what happens the next time I use it.

Andres, doesn't look like the hopup rubber was worn or damaged at all. It was probably just dirty/greasy but only time will tell once I test it at long range again.

Good to hear.

I was having problems getting consistent hopup at the beginning of my game today, but by the end of it I think I shot out the grease/oil from the hopup unit and it was hopping good for most shots.

I love it!

Although one of the mags started leaking pretty bad (before its first game!) so I have to reseal that.

So i figured out what the bolt locking issue was (at least i think i did)

if you look at the front of the mag you will note on the right side it is smooth the whole way down. If you look at the front of an extra mag you will notice a notch cut into the same same, this notch seems to make sure the bolt catch amr is not interfered with. so i simply filed the notch into the problem mag and BAM works like a charm.

Took a few (lot) of patches and cleaned out the barrel thoroughly today. There was a lot of oil and gunk in there, so that's probably what was causing hell with my hopup. Squeaky clean gun now.

Piktures HERE

I'm very interested in one of these for a project rifle... absolutely love the look with a wood stock.

Anyone ordered the m1 carbine wood kit yet?
If so; whats the fit? any modification required?

Will have my Kjw 10-22 next week and want to order one.

That thing is ugly. It's so wide at the front.

Just got mine; I'm really please with the look and ergonomics of this little beast.
Now i' gonna clean the barrel and wait for my mags and my m1 wood kit. :)

My new KJW 10-22

Will use it as a DMR platform (need a scope...) and also as a ww2 m1a1 carbine (wood kit ordered)

So simple to switch between the 2

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...KJW-1022-1.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...KJW-1022-2.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...KJW-1022-3.jpg

Colors are more subdued in person and not as shiny...

Styrak...

U disassembled the gun before. Was it pretty straight forward? I got a longer barrel for mine.

Mind posting more info or maybe a video on disassemble? Hehe... Thanks. ;)

It's amazingly simple. Couple screws and you're down to the hopup and barrel. Look up RATech's videos on Youtube. They do a dis-assembly and reassembly to install a new inner barrel and some other stuff, but you only need to pay attention to the dis-assembly down to the hopup.

In other news, I left my 10/22 lying against a truck and forgot it there. We drove off and a buddy in another vehicle saw it after we left and picked it up. Either our vehicle or another vehicle RAN IT OVER, and the only thing apparently broken was the charging handle. I have to pick it up from my buddy and do a function test, but that's pretty impressive.

Damn!

You're lucky !

Yeah... Pretty lucky Styrak!

Any new on a npas for it?

I received my M1 Carbine kit the other day. It came with the 6.03 380mm tightbore.
I chrono'ied it at our ww2 game. It was shooting at 470-478 fps with .28g (was about 26-28c that day). Other thing i noticed was the hopup didn't work at all... :(

Could you throw some pics up of the M1 kit?

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...-carbine-1.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...a1-carbine.jpg

Its way nicer in person than in picture... I used a cheap 90$ kodak.
Pretty nice quality, easy fitting. Take less than 8 minutes changing between original stock and M1 carbine.

The barrel in front of the wood stock, is it all the same width, or does it taper as it gets to the opening?

EDIT: Also, very pretty.

Reason I ask is because I want to do something... like.. this: (purists, avert your eyes)
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...suppressed.jpg

I'm scared to chrony mine with the 6.03mm 380mm tightbore. It already chronies 350 on 0.4's with the stock 250mm barrel. That's the equivalent of 480 on 0.20's.


The stock barrel does not taper. Same width to the end of the barrel.

Sorry, my question was directed at the M1 Carbine kit, not the stock gun's barrel.

The barrel that come with the kit does tapper. From 16.8mm (near the wood stock) to 14.4mm at the end of the barrel.

I really hope Ra-tech come with a npas for the KJW-KC02... 478fps with .28 is way over 500 fps with .20 :(

Also need to receive my mags for it... fucking CP...

Good to know, I'll have to make friends with a metal worker with a lathe...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._2846713_n.jpg

"9mm" type long mags announced

SHaKaL, do you plan on getting the iron sights for that set? I think that'd complete it a lot better than a rail.

They are pretty impossible to find right now.

Easy....just use the stock inner barrel. I'll never game my extended tightbore, I just bought it for kicks. The gun is already insanely accurate.

That doesn't make sense, .22 mags should be curved.

I'd be happier with a flush shorty magazine and take the hit of less gas in the mag... But the 9mm type look pretty fly. :)

Yes i plan to buy the set. Also the oiler and a sling.

The ''straight'' mags will be better looking for the M1 Carbine mod.
Might buy some when they come out. But i prefer the smaller curved one because they fit in my ww2 Garand ammo belt.

Also; i don't think the stock barrel and aluminum tube fit in the M1 outer barrel.

An airsoft .22 makes no sense anyway.

:D

Yeah well. No matter what gun it's based on, it's a hell of a performer.

I'd buy one once they have a NPAS out for it cause the FPS limit at our field is 420 for AEG/GBBR even if its semi-auto only.

Well, I had my first failure of my 10/22. Read on because it's not what you think.

We played on Sunday, and I was using my 10/22 and pistols. During a game the bolt seemed like it seized up. I could rack it but it would not fully seat into battery. When the bolt was back the nozzle seemed very hard to move.

I said oh well, guess I'll just use my pistols for the rest of the day.

Fast forward to tonight when I actually took it apart. I found out the piston and cylinder o-ring were BONE DRY! Yes folks, I had not used oiled in my gun since I got it (well maybe the first mag fill or two, or one in between somewhere).

So it was totally user error. Didn't have to take it apart to remedy it but that's just how it happened. Added oil to the oring and piston and it cycles like a dream again.

Derp.

I should have the M1 Carbine sights and straight mags on Tuesday. Also talking with Cradle Airsoft about reducers :)

Jeff

There is no need for a reducer. simply run it on duster. works like a dream and gives a good gameable FPS. Ill have a full post about FPS tests on both propane and duster with normal and tight bore barrel.

Ill have it up soon.

Soon to be a member of the KC02 club!

Just got mine, luffit!!! Now, what are you guys using for pouches?

Nevermind... found out that my pistol mag pouches work perfectly!

And if you double up the mags they'll fit right into a single m4 pouch.

Can't wait to game the thing!

Whatever I have available. They're much smaller and different dimension than any other rifles mags so....try something and see what works.

Totally weird and who knows how it happened, but I chrono'd mine on propane AND duster for a night game, and it was shooting hot through the Paintball chrono they had at the field :(

What do you consider "hot"? You need to list numbers.

The Israelis had a use for the Ruger 10/22:

Ruger 10/22 Suppressed Sniper Rifle

So,

Buying the gun next week, got the sniper kit coming in the following month hopefully.

Anyone care to run a quick crash-course of info on the gun? Just basic shit like maitenance and things to do/not do and etc.

Thanks